Jan 19 2010
NASA Scientist Analysis
Facts Examination
Speed Trap, Highway 58 Lacrosse, VA
By Rachel Hallgarth (NASA Scientist, Ret.)
Highway 58 ‘Pacing’ Claim:
Police Impossibility!
This analysis is being done at the request of Mr. Scott Colley. Not knowing the mass or specifics of the police vehicle I am only guessing about its acceleration rate once on the highway chasing Mr. Colley.
This incident happened on Highway 58 in Virginia at night and the total distance traveled is approx ½ of one mile or 2640 feet. We are going to assume the police vehicle is rather quick and can accelerate at a constant rate of 10 mph per second or 14.6 f/s acceleration. Acceleration of a vehicle is not constant because of drag and power to weight ratio be let us assume the good officer had a quick ride.
There are some other assumptions that need to be made and they are.
- The police vehicle required a certain time frame to start moving and turn left onto the highway. We are assuming the officer just went and turned and since he was sitting off the road it is reasonable to assume it took him 3-4 seconds to get turned onto the road and straight enough to accelerate rapidly.
- Mr. Colley was moving at a constant rate of speed of 50 mph in the 50 mph speed zone after he reached the speed zone.
- The officer began his move to pursue Mr. Colley when Mr. Colley was 150 yards past him since the officer was stationary and assuming Mr. Colley’s car was traveling at 40 mph it would have traveled some distance before the officer could even move.
- The entire distance traveled by Mr. Colley was ½ of a mile that has been verified by video.
I am going to ignore the officer admission that he was 150 yards behind the Colley car when he began to move which is even more damning.
40 mph is equivalent to traveling at 59 feet per second. At 40 mph as Mr. Colley passed the officer he was traveling at 58.7 feet per second. So at 40 mph in one minute Mr. Colley would travel 3520
It would take a minimum of 2 seconds for the officer to believe he needed to tail this driver to get an average speed to ticket him unless his mind was already made up regardless. This puts Mr. Colley approx 118 feet down the road before the officer has even begun to move.
It would take at least another 3 seconds for the officer to get the car in gear, turned and in pursuit of Mr. Colley at let us say 10 mph when he is straight. Mr. Colley has now traveled an additional 177 feet and is now accelerating to 50 mph the new speed limit.
Mr. Colley is now 295 feet down the road as the officer starts accelerating from 10 mph to a pursuit speed of 65 mph. Assuming the officer’s car accelerated like a Mustang at about 10 mph per second he is accelerating at 14.6 feet per second for 5.5 seconds to reach 65 miles per hour.
During these 5.5 seconds Mr. Colley is now traveling at 73.5 fps so he traveled an additional 404 feet and is now at 700 feet.
During this time the officer is accelerating he travels a distance based on the following physics formulas:
Distance = ut + 0.5at^2 where us is starting velocity in fps multiplied by time
a == acceleration rate of 14.7 f/s
t is time of 5.5 squared
so (14.7 x 5.5) + 0.5 * 14.7 * (5.5 x 5.5) the officer traveled
229 + 222 or 451 feet, which leaves him 250 feet behind Mr. Colley.
He would need to begin matching his speed to Mr. Colley’s speed which would take at least 10 seconds which would mean Mr. Colley traveled an additional 735 feet and is now at the 1400 foot mark. The officer by law must follow for a specified time, which I am unsure of but we are currently closing in on the 2640 feet that this event happened over. If we add the officer admission that when he pulled out the officer was 150 yards behind Colley it is even more damning and this is with the Colley car obeying the speed limit. With this distance we are at 1750 feet give a take a bit.
In reality the officer could ONLY have caught Mr. Colley if Mr. Colley was in fact going the speed limit and in fact he barely caught him and had no time to actually time him, turn on his lights and pull over Mr. Colley in the 2640 foot distance. The minute you plug in that Mr. Colley was going 65 mph it is physically impossible for the officer to have caught him, follow him, and validate his speed in 2640 feet.
65 mph is 95.5 fps
Recalculating the numbers is enlightening if Mr. Colley was actually speeding.
By the time the officer has reacted Mr. Colley is 286 feet down the road. By the time he is turned and started and straightening out Mr. Colley is now 572 feet down the road. If he accelerates to just 65 mph he is 5.5 * 95.5 or 525 additional feet so Colley is at almost 1100 feet and the officer has traveled his 451 feet and is nearly 650 feet behind Mr. Colley in the dark or to be more clearly almost 1/8 of a mile. There is no way to judge the speed of the other vehicle from that distance unless it is done over a significant distance. The California Highway patrol used this methodology for many years and they required vehicles this close to the actual speed limit to be followed for a least a mile or longer to obtain an accurate speed unless the speed was insanely over the limit
In the dark it would take a significant amount of time to equalize speeds and be sure the driver is going too fast. The officer would need to close the distance to a more manageable distance where he can maintain or match the speed of Mr. Colley.
Since the officer is attempting to pace the Colley car for speed it needs to be done over a reasonable distance. It is not possible to judge the speed of a car 1/8 of a mile from a car following another car because it is difficult to determine whether you are closing on the vehicle in front of you at that distance. The officer must keep the exact distance of 650 or any calculation he makes is wrong. If the officer was closing at 22 fps he is going 15 mph faster than the car in front of him
At the speeds the officer claims they were both going it is visually impossible for the officer to get an accurate measure of the Colley vehicle speed since the Colley vehicle has already traveled 1100 feet of the proven 2640 feet used in this incident and they are now both traveling at 95.5 fps but the officer is so far behind there is no accurate way he can judge speed in the ten seconds he had to perform this analysis because at that point his lights were flashing and he pulled the Colley vehicle over at slightly less than ½ mile.
It appears the officer made his decision rather quickly and in my estimate in less than 5 seconds. During the decision process at night he could have easily moved from 650 feet to 540 feet with little perception of being closer since distance at night is skewed by darkness and the fact the distance is judged not by the entire vehicle but by the tail lights and what little of the vehicle is illuminated by tail lights.
Humans use stereoscopic binocular vision to determine distance and it deteriorates at night in low light and based on the movie it was pitch black. To the human eyes in the dark a set of taillights cannot be followed keeping an exact distance because the human eyes uses this stereoscopic binocular vision based on size, and location, and lighting and both size and lighting are poor in this case. It is impossible to be 1/8 of a mile behind someone in the pitch dark of night and use taillights to judge distance between two vehicles. This requires good vision by the way and the officer was wearing glasses, which again could skew his perception of distance under these conditions. I wonder when his last eye exam was.
Based on pure physics and the stereoscopic binocular vision we humans possess and its limitations in the dark this traffic citation is impossible to support under any circumstances. The simple facts are the only way the officer could have caught and even attempted to tail and clock the Colley car in the distance traveled was if the Colley car was in fact going the speed limit.
Rachel Hallgarth
NASA, Retired
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Out of state tags ARE targeted in Lacrosse, VA.
EVERYONE knows that who lives here.
The ‘pacing’ ticket is just what you say Scott, a ‘license to lie’.
Then it’s just their word against yours, which is tough to fight in OUR court, as I’m sure you can imagine.
Mix in corrupt town officials who know exactly what’s going on (including judges & lawyers), and 99.99 % of people just pay the fine by mail & learn to hate our town, and then word of mouth (and the internet) makes our reputation worse.
I really hope this website encourages our town officials to change these tactics, fast.
Good luck Scott!
Gina (not my real name, I live here, and dont need the hassle)
Gina you are an idiot!
Local,
I only posted your reply to Gina after much consideration.
Your demeanor and response alone suggests she is probably correct in why she wanted to remain anonymous.
We actually collected some video interviews of ‘locals’ last night in South Hill & Lacrosse, and the amazing (and sad) thing was 75% of the people we spoke with would NOT speak on camera about the towns’ known perception as a speed trap, and the # 1 reason they said was a concern over retribution (like your comment).
Yet every person we spoke with, to the person, said they knew of the rep, believed it, and felt exactly like Gina.
EVERYONE.
But see, retribution in any town is a very real possibility, as I have already found out just in a few days, and I’m sure it will continue.
I have not posted the direct attacks on me on this site, but believe me when I say they have been many.
And, I’m innocent, regardless of any pacing ticket, or a possible judges’ verdict (even with all this crushing, negatively-charged evidence), so go figure.
Scott Colley
highway58speedtrap@gmail.com
I find it interesting that you got someone from NASA to to do the physics for, i honestly do and the math supports what you say. Oddly enough it you had to assume a lot of things in your calcs, obviously no fault of your own but still having to assume can throw the math off a great deal. I would also like to say that yes lacrosse is a speed trap because people drive like a bat out hell through there. Personally i go 50-55 through there everyday no problem. No muss no fuss. They only pull people who are speeding, maybe you are the exception to he rule. I also find it funny you did not post my last entry on your other page.
You related to Ron White, tater?
The other comment seemed a bit too disruptive to the dialogue.
Here’s the thing.
If i pulled you over, and gave you a ticket you KNEW you did not deserve, would you take it lying down?
You don’t strike me as that type of ‘tater’, and neither am I.
Also, the NASA scientist angle was too good to pass on.
Credibility and all; not ‘my word’, like I’m battling in reverse, right?
Just trying to be righteous about fighting this baseless ticket.
Scott
My thoughts were not disruptive they just did not agree with you, and no i would not take it lying down but there are other ways to go about fighting a ticket. The NASA guy is a good way to do it, and personally i do not agree that doing what he did is an effective way of clocking a person. On the other hand you are making this a very petty thing over something in the long run that matter not to a hill of beans. There are ways to go about things sir and this is just an extreme one. Thats all i am saying you will hear no more form me.
I have lived in South Hill for 25 years. This is a definite injustice to the tax paying citizens of this country. Correct me if I wrong but isn’t there a place that says “Innocent until proven guilty”?
Oh wait, The United Nations incorporated this principle in its Declaration of Human Rights in 1948 under article eleven, section one. So I guess its a good source, ay? So is it wrong for this man to pursue his given right to not be incorrectly charged with a crime he did not commit?
I challenge you personally to take this to the end with as much damaging evidence as you accumulate.
Whoever falls from the findings are the ones who are doing a terrible injustice to the citizens of the county and town.
thanks harold!
appreciate the support…
Scott
BTW, the annual income on these tickets last year was $117,000. This is used to support the police officers salary, etc.
Conflict of interest?!
It just gets deeper and deeper into the realm of curruption.
I love the NASA Scientist’s work and wording. This became a Slam Dunk Case, but not on the Officer’s side.
I can not blame “Gina” for not giving her real name, and I like the fact, you respected the fact she could catch some heat, because of her posting.
I can’t wait to hear the out come of this
After viewing both video clips via AOL news, it’s obvious you were not speeding; I strongly suspect that the officer knew this too — BTW, who is that “tater” person? If he actually watched both videos it’s quite obvious that the former NASA employee’s calculations aren’t “necessary” to conclude the law enforcement officer’s charge was baseless, the math merely serves to substantiate (or reinforce) the obvious truth.
Not only did the cop’s radar reading verify that your speedometer and cruise-control were in fine working order, he ignored (purposefully, perhaps) the laughably obvious fact that HE would necessarily have to exceed 50mph to catch-up to a vehicle traveling 50mph as it passed his relative stationary position. In other words, the distance between two vehicles traveling in the same direction at the same speed would never change (basic relativity) — his assumption that you would not realize this is rather insulting lol. Ultimately, the officer’s charge that you exceeded the speed-limit was erroneously based on his flawed reasoning that he accurately gauged/ascertained your velocity by comparing the speed his cruiser reached while pursuing and closing the distance between your vehicle and his own.
While viewing the videos, I recognized your desire to be diplomatic precluded you from mentioning the above facts (I imagine you didn’t wish the cop to perceive you as a contentious “trouble-maker,“ nor did you wish to him feel..er..well..ignorant), but preservation of his ego aside, it seems like the cop’s flawed logic, aka the rationale on which he justified the charge, was the veritable 400lb gorilla in the room, painfully obvious to all, yet the thing no one will mention.
Lastly, the officer’s statement (after verifying that your speedometer worked fine) that his charge was predicated on the presumed accuracy of his speedometer was nothing but a patronizing red-herring — his error had nothing to do with a faulty speedometer lol.
Good Job standing up for yourself.